tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4279162265168778574.post4557894662855465855..comments2024-03-27T20:41:56.209-06:00Comments on JP on Gaming: Predictions of Doom: 4e, RPGA, LFRJPChapleauhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05783051524957278979noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4279162265168778574.post-9325985676200574352011-02-28T10:01:54.030-07:002011-02-28T10:01:54.030-07:00OnlineDM, you are 100% right that most of us 4e-ha...OnlineDM, you are 100% right that most of us 4e-haters are tend to be the ones who go on the offensive. <br /><br />As a newcomer to 4e, you come to the game with a fresh new look. In short you are the person WotC wanted to bring in. <br /><br />The thing is... What they did for 4e is the same they did for 2e->3e except the 3e conversion was a CLEAR improvement over 2e. <br /><br />It is still highly debated whether 4e is a better product to 3e (Pathfinder sales seems to indicate "not really").JPChapleauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783051524957278979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4279162265168778574.post-43431048632681013632011-02-25T15:19:19.650-07:002011-02-25T15:19:19.650-07:00This is interesting. I only starting playing D&...This is interesting. I only starting playing D&D in earnest about a year ago, so I started with 4e and missed the brunt of the edition wars.<br /><br />It's often seemed to me that the edition wars consisted of fans of older editions being unhappy with the newer edition, but I never really saw the reverse - fans of the newer edition bashing the old. It sounds like WotC did some of the older edition bashing themselves when they rolled out 4e. I get that they were trying to convince people that the new edition was worth upgrading to, but this seems like a bad way to do it.<br /><br />Was there / is there a lot of ill will from fans of 4e toward the older editions? I'm guessing there must be; it wouldn't be much of a war if the animosity only flowed one way.<br /><br />Personally, I like 4e, but I also like the older editions from the little exposure I've had to them. They all have their advantages and disadvantages, but as long as you're playing with good people you'll have a good game (at least in my limited experience).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4279162265168778574.post-45884467187387131932011-02-25T09:19:45.098-07:002011-02-25T09:19:45.098-07:00@Scott -> Just watch this video from WOTC and l...@Scott -> Just watch this video from WOTC and listen how 4th is touted as, for example, "...making character advancement fun and meaningful..." <br /><br />Yeah, they TOTALLY never bashed 3rd... o.O<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ3J8t2-RVsk3ndawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11425801746532675017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4279162265168778574.post-37321867180477510432011-02-24T15:46:12.580-07:002011-02-24T15:46:12.580-07:00@Scott-> I couldn't just reply in a few wor...@Scott-> I couldn't just reply in a few words... So I did a whole post for you:<br /><a href="http://jpchapleau.blogspot.com/2011/02/predictions-of-doom-4e-is-new-coke.html" rel="nofollow">4e is the New Coke</a>JPChapleauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05783051524957278979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4279162265168778574.post-80283693061022246352011-02-24T03:29:52.004-07:002011-02-24T03:29:52.004-07:00A well considered post, I pretty much agree with e...A well considered post, I pretty much agree with everything you say here.<br /><br />@Scott - Dude, look at yourself.Coreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02698925878015839248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4279162265168778574.post-79249209449063435822011-02-23T22:21:10.537-07:002011-02-23T22:21:10.537-07:00That's weird. 3e was my favorite edition befor...That's weird. 3e was my favorite edition before 4e came out, too. And yet, for some weird reason, I didn't feel personally offended by ANY stretch by what I heard during 4e's release. And neither did TONS of other gamers in my same exact shoes.<br /><br />I think it might be time to consider that it had nothing to do with the fact that 3e was your favorite edition, and everything to do with the fact that you just didn't like the changes you were being told about.<br /><br />The reality (I know, tough to recall with all these inflamed opinions floating around!) of the situation is that you weren't told that 3e stunk (granted, an ADMIRABLE attempt at historical revisionism on your part). You were told that certain portions of 3e were not as fun as they could be. You were told that certain design concepts were outdated. You were told that they'd figured out better ways to do these things.<br /><br />And, best of all, you were told all these things BY THE PEOPLE WHO DESIGNED THE GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE, making them more qualified than anyone else to present scathing criticisms of their own game. After all, if the people who WROTE THE GAME thought that something about the game needed work, they're probably right.<br /><br />No, what happened was you heard all these things, and you DISAGREED with them. But you, just like the rest of the small horde of nerdraging fans, can't actually handle disagreement. Instead of merely disagreeing with them - and, in the process, coming up with an outlook on the whole thing along the lines of, "Hmm, I don't think these changes will be to my liking, but I will reserve judgment until I have experienced those changes firsthand or have had such experiences related to me by those I trust," - you took the game designers' decisions to criticize portions of THEIR OWN GAME that you liked as a personal offense.<br /><br />THAT is one of the craziest things I've ever seen.<br /><br />I mean, DANG, 3e fans. If you decided to take the game designer's criticisms of their own game as personal insult because you like that game, imagine how your criticisms of 4e would come across to 4e fans if they shared your same attitude towards looking to be offended. You have even LESS credibility than the game's designers when it comes to being in a position to criticize their game, and yet we see 3e fans telling 4e fans that our edition of choice stinks CONSTANTLY.<br /><br />The hypocrisy would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that it has played an enormous part in making the D&D community one of the ugliest fan communities out there. And that's really saying something.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17817454535103324280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4279162265168778574.post-33146508287823058582011-02-23T21:30:20.948-07:002011-02-23T21:30:20.948-07:00I went to the 4e announcement at Gen Con and even ...I went to the 4e announcement at Gen Con and even then I was amazed that they would bash 3e like they did. I understand everyone has different preferences and I have nothing against 4e players, but 3e is my favorite edition. Sitting there being told my preferred edition stunk, by the company that published it was one of the craziest things I've ever seen.Geek Gazettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11041253917215490424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4279162265168778574.post-7502759581322770892011-02-23T21:25:42.708-07:002011-02-23T21:25:42.708-07:00This is probably the first post I've ever seen...This is probably the first post I've ever seen where I agree 100%.Geek Gazettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11041253917215490424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4279162265168778574.post-318689352546031132011-02-23T19:59:44.444-07:002011-02-23T19:59:44.444-07:00Speaking purely from a fan's point of view, I ...Speaking purely from a fan's point of view, I really hope WotC realizes that they can have different versions of the game in print at any given time and not hurt sales. It's like taking classic Risk off the shelves because they came out with Risk 2210. There's room for both, and they're missing an opportunity by pretending older editions don't exist.Greyhawk Grognardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13929743865700766901noreply@blogger.com